Jump to content




Photo
* * * * * 1 votes

badland winches, the good bad & the ugly

badland winches the good bad ugly

  • Please log in to reply
45 replies to this topic

#1 OFFLINE   AA1PR

 
AA1PR

    Disabled Overlander

  • Moderators

  • 11,738 posts
    • Time Online: 95d 2h 59m 17s
4,745
Hail The Almighty!
  • Name:Mike
  • LocationFN33
  • Truck(s):2004 GMC Yukon
    1966 Stevens M416 trailer
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 23 January 2015 - 09:35 PM

as you know I'm not a serious mud bogger or heavy wheeler, but to haev a winch would  or should I say could be a life saver

 

so I've been thinking about this 12K model

 

& tonight I get a coupon

hero4_03.jpg

 

so you get the winch, remote, cable & fairlead all for $300 basically

 

I've read the winch shootout ~ http://www.fourwheel...winch-shootout/

 

was thinking of an engo 9k version but the math suggests 10k

 

I know the badlands is about 45 seconds of winching with 15 minutes of rest, poor duty cycle, but others dont state theirs either

 

I dont have the funds for a warn or other high price one, but dont want garbage either

 

so if you can help have you owned one, pros or cons please


Edited by AA1PR, 23 January 2015 - 09:37 PM.

___________________________________________________________

                           

 

2004 GMC Yukon, 4X4 SLT, 5.3L Vortec, ~ Yukon Build Thread
Trail Master 2.5" leveling keys, SkyJacker  Hydro 7000's & MOOG 81069 rear coils with 1.5" spacers,
Hella 700FF's,  Running on 33's BFG TA KO & XRC 12K Comp Winch

1966 Stevens M416 trailer too ~ M416 Build thread

"Now she is gone I got my Yukon"   

ExpeditionNorth.com


#2 OFFLINE   topshelfburban

 
topshelfburban

    Registered Nerd

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 908 posts
    • Time Online: 92d 10h 49m 58s
788
Listen To This Guy!
  • Name:Jake
  • LocationLA
  • Occupation:Construction Mgt.
  • Truck(s):1996 GMC K1500 Suburban
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:23 AM

Subscribed for replies. I keep reading good reviews on these winches. I wouldn't mind a little one on my RTV900 and a 12k# for my Suburban.
___________________________________________________________

1996 GMC K1500 SUBURBAN SLE

 

newsigimg_zpsrdte8k9j.jpg

 

 

 

 

 


#3 OFFLINE   AA1PR

 
AA1PR

    Disabled Overlander

  • Moderators

  • 11,738 posts
    • Time Online: 95d 2h 59m 17s
4,745
Hail The Almighty!
  • Name:Mike
  • LocationFN33
  • Truck(s):2004 GMC Yukon
    1966 Stevens M416 trailer
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 26 January 2015 - 07:36 PM

The more I watch youtube videos on this model the more worried I get

 

thinking of an Engo now

 

maybe this  16K one if the mounting pattern is 4.5"X10" ~http://www.engousa.c...c-winches?pp=12

 

if not its going to be 10K ~  http://www.engousa.c...c-winches?pp=12

 

& then I need to decide if it steel cable or  Synthetic

 

any help or suggestions are welcome


Edited by AA1PR, 26 January 2015 - 07:37 PM.

___________________________________________________________

                           

 

2004 GMC Yukon, 4X4 SLT, 5.3L Vortec, ~ Yukon Build Thread
Trail Master 2.5" leveling keys, SkyJacker  Hydro 7000's & MOOG 81069 rear coils with 1.5" spacers,
Hella 700FF's,  Running on 33's BFG TA KO & XRC 12K Comp Winch

1966 Stevens M416 trailer too ~ M416 Build thread

"Now she is gone I got my Yukon"   

ExpeditionNorth.com


#4 OFFLINE   HARDTRAILZ

 
HARDTRAILZ

    Trail Blazer

  • Moderators
  • 2,477 posts
    • Time Online: 56d 11h 18m 26s
2,089
Hail The Almighty!
  • Name:Kyle
  • LocationSE IN
  • Occupation:Real Estate
  • Truck(s):2006 Trailblazer
    1991 Suburban
    1988 S-10
Garage View Garage
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 26 January 2015 - 08:20 PM

Seen more Warn winches break on the trails than any other.

My buddies 10k engo was DOA. They stepped up n sent a 12k replacement that he has had good luck with.

I know several guys w smittybilts of different sizes that work well.

I have a Tuff Stuff 12.5k and had no issues in over 3 years. I did a ton of research n it is same as Super winch but was cheaper.

Steel will take more abuse but you don't rock crawl so non issue. Will save you 40 or so lbs to have synthetic and aluminum hawse fairlead over steel n roller. I am glad I switched since I take mine on and off plus it keeps the far forward weight down n off suspension.

I have a spare 100' of 3/8 Am steel blue and 80' of 7/16 Viking line that is currently on the winch.


___________________________________________________________

79340785-bcb7-4f88-ab8a-7f14d6d04808_zps  2006 TRAILBLAZER  20434ac4-2f57-472b-8c42-0aca6d30eeea_zps

 

THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it

 

because the only people who really know where it is

 

are the ones who have gone over...


#5 OFFLINE   AA1PR

 
AA1PR

    Disabled Overlander

  • Moderators

  • 11,738 posts
    • Time Online: 95d 2h 59m 17s
4,745
Hail The Almighty!
  • Name:Mike
  • LocationFN33
  • Truck(s):2004 GMC Yukon
    1966 Stevens M416 trailer
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 26 January 2015 - 08:35 PM

Seen more Warn winches break on the trails than any other.

My buddies 10k engo was DOA. They stepped up n sent a 12k replacement that he has had good luck with.

I know several guys w smittybilts of different sizes that work well.

I have a Tuff Stuff 12.5k and had no issues in over 3 years. I did a ton of research n it is same as Super winch but was cheaper.

Steel will take more abuse but you don't rock crawl so non issue. Will save you 40 or so lbs to have synthetic and aluminum hawse fairlead over steel n roller. I am glad I switched since I take mine on and off plus it keeps the far forward weight down n off suspension.

I have a spare 100' of 3/8 Am steel blue and 80' of 7/16 Viking line that is currently on the winch.

 

Thanks I'll check out the Smittybilt  ones too, I want to stay under $500 if possible

 

EDIT: found this 10K smitty ~ http://www.4wheelpar...0&t_pn=S/B98412

 

& 12K here for the same price    http://www.summitrac...98412/overview/


Edited by AA1PR, 26 January 2015 - 08:46 PM.

___________________________________________________________

                           

 

2004 GMC Yukon, 4X4 SLT, 5.3L Vortec, ~ Yukon Build Thread
Trail Master 2.5" leveling keys, SkyJacker  Hydro 7000's & MOOG 81069 rear coils with 1.5" spacers,
Hella 700FF's,  Running on 33's BFG TA KO & XRC 12K Comp Winch

1966 Stevens M416 trailer too ~ M416 Build thread

"Now she is gone I got my Yukon"   

ExpeditionNorth.com


#6 OFFLINE   02TahoeMd

 
02TahoeMd

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 117 posts
    • Time Online: 2d 4m 5s
162
Showoff
  • Name:J.
  • LocationMaryland
Garage View Garage
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 27 January 2015 - 11:16 AM

I think with a winch you are going to get what you pay for. I am all about shopping and spending frugally. After all, I have an EdgeStar fridge in  my truck instead of a MUCH more expensive Engel or ARB model that everyone said was "must have" for Overlanding.  I often scrape and scrounge to re-purpose cheap and used items - my air system is all second hand for instance.  But, since a winch can be a true life saver, you probably should shell out the extra coin on one. I bought a MIleMarker and have been happy with it. Probably cost twice as much (if not more) than a Harbor Freight or other such knockoff brand. I did not use the winch at all for about 14 months and, when I got around to running it again for a recovery operation it ran just fine. The only thing I have had to do for it maintenance - wise was to take all the winch line off of it and paint the drum with POR-15 paint since the drum had gotten very rusty.    I use synthetic winch line since it is considerably lighter and easier to use when deploying by hand than steel cable is.  I read that winch review linked above and was surprised that MileMarker would not send in a sample for testing. When I was shopping around I found out that MileMarker was the company that at the time was supplying winches to the US Military. i figured if they were good enough to make mil-spec products, it was enough to put them to the top of my shopping list. So far, so good. 

 

My truck has been down to the beach in the Outer Banks and that winch has gotten submerged in salt water, sprayed road salt from 7 winter storms now, and been dunked in a couple of creeks and it still works fine. 


___________________________________________________________

My CarDomain page    My YouTube Trail Video

02TahoeMdsig_zps55613d46.jpg


#7 OFFLINE   HARDTRAILZ

 
HARDTRAILZ

    Trail Blazer

  • Moderators
  • 2,477 posts
    • Time Online: 56d 11h 18m 26s
2,089
Hail The Almighty!
  • Name:Kyle
  • LocationSE IN
  • Occupation:Real Estate
  • Truck(s):2006 Trailblazer
    1991 Suburban
    1988 S-10
Garage View Garage
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 27 January 2015 - 11:24 AM

Have you seen all the info around the interwebs that older Harbor Freight winches are just rebadged MileMarkers and the Badlands are rebadged Smittybilt X2O? 

 

Also that Engo was started by former MileMarker employees?

 

I did a ton of research and you can buy a pallet of almost any winch from china and slap your name/stickers on it.    


Edited by HARDTRAILZ, 27 January 2015 - 11:30 AM.

___________________________________________________________

79340785-bcb7-4f88-ab8a-7f14d6d04808_zps  2006 TRAILBLAZER  20434ac4-2f57-472b-8c42-0aca6d30eeea_zps

 

THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it

 

because the only people who really know where it is

 

are the ones who have gone over...


#8 OFFLINE   spiderjohn

 
spiderjohn

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 738 posts
    • Time Online: 101d 4h 50m 31s
705
Listen To This Guy!
  • Name:John
  • LocationR.I.
  • Occupation:retail manager
  • Truck(s):1997 GMC 2500 5.7
Garage View Garage
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 27 January 2015 - 12:20 PM

I just used my badland winch to pull my wife's solara out of a foot and a half of snow.
___________________________________________________________

1997 GMC Suburban 2500 5.7, jet performance module, spectre Cai, badlands winch, KC Daylighters, Cooper AT3 265/75/16.

#9 OFFLINE   AA1PR

 
AA1PR

    Disabled Overlander

  • Moderators

  • 11,738 posts
    • Time Online: 95d 2h 59m 17s
4,745
Hail The Almighty!
  • Name:Mike
  • LocationFN33
  • Truck(s):2004 GMC Yukon
    1966 Stevens M416 trailer
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 27 January 2015 - 01:48 PM

OK its either this

http://www.summitrac...98412/overview/

 

or this one

http://www.summitrac...98510/overview/

 

12K would be nice but I think 10K should work

 

I have almost everything in place to get my winch

now only need to finalize which one

after going back & forth its these 2 models

anyone use or have one of these that can offer up firsthand knowledge
Smittybilt Gen2 XRC Comp Series @88lbs
http://www.summitrac...98412/overview/

& lastly
Smittybilt Gen2 X20 Comp Series @99lbs
http://www.summitrac...98510/overview/

the second one looks so much more compact & I like that

if you use the formula your rigs weight times 1.5 I should get a 10,050 winch

or do I go with the 12K for extra heft

decisions, decisions...any help is greatly appreciated & welcome


Edited by AA1PR, 27 January 2015 - 07:11 PM.

___________________________________________________________

                           

 

2004 GMC Yukon, 4X4 SLT, 5.3L Vortec, ~ Yukon Build Thread
Trail Master 2.5" leveling keys, SkyJacker  Hydro 7000's & MOOG 81069 rear coils with 1.5" spacers,
Hella 700FF's,  Running on 33's BFG TA KO & XRC 12K Comp Winch

1966 Stevens M416 trailer too ~ M416 Build thread

"Now she is gone I got my Yukon"   

ExpeditionNorth.com


#10 OFFLINE   TRBasher

 
TRBasher

    Crazy trucker!

  • Premium Member
  • 694 posts
    • Time Online: 13d 18h 25m 40s
543
Listen To This Guy!
  • Name:Harry
  • LocationMontana
  • Occupation:Truck Driver
  • Truck(s):95 Tahoe
Garage View Garage
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 28 January 2015 - 11:18 AM

Bigger is better IMHO I wouldn't run less than a 12k

Sent from my phone, smart it is.


___________________________________________________________

tahoe.jpg

 

 

Build Thread http://www.gmc4x4.co...76-my-95-tahoe/


#11 OFFLINE   SwampHound

 
SwampHound

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,111 posts
    • Time Online: 99d 11h 43m 34s
1,122
GMC Guru
  • Name:Luke
  • LocationAlabama
  • Occupation:Landscaping/Lawn Care
  • Truck(s):1997 GMC Yukon 4X4 5.7L, 2001 Chevy Silverado 4.8L 2WD
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 28 January 2015 - 12:03 PM

I wouldn't skimp. Why buy something for self recovery, that very well may not be able to recover your vehicle? Just my 2 cents B)
___________________________________________________________

iKcE4oZ.png
 
1997 Yukon 4x4 | 6" Superlift + Skyjacker UCA's, 1.5" block + AAL in rear | K&N CAI | LED Interior | 33" Federal Couragi | N-Fab Nerf Bars | Demolded Exterior | 5000k HIDs | Go Industry's Brush Guard | True Dual Straights
2001 Chevy Silverado ECSB, 2WD 4.8L | BONE Stock (For now) | Gas Saver

#12 OFFLINE   HARDTRAILZ

 
HARDTRAILZ

    Trail Blazer

  • Moderators
  • 2,477 posts
    • Time Online: 56d 11h 18m 26s
2,089
Hail The Almighty!
  • Name:Kyle
  • LocationSE IN
  • Occupation:Real Estate
  • Truck(s):2006 Trailblazer
    1991 Suburban
    1988 S-10
Garage View Garage
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 28 January 2015 - 12:04 PM

I wouldn't skimp. Why buy something for self recovery, that very well may not be able to recover your vehicle? Just my 2 cents B)

Are you implying his choices are not up the task of recovery? Or what does this 2 cents mean?


___________________________________________________________

79340785-bcb7-4f88-ab8a-7f14d6d04808_zps  2006 TRAILBLAZER  20434ac4-2f57-472b-8c42-0aca6d30eeea_zps

 

THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it

 

because the only people who really know where it is

 

are the ones who have gone over...


#13 OFFLINE   AA1PR

 
AA1PR

    Disabled Overlander

  • Moderators

  • 11,738 posts
    • Time Online: 95d 2h 59m 17s
4,745
Hail The Almighty!
  • Name:Mike
  • LocationFN33
  • Truck(s):2004 GMC Yukon
    1966 Stevens M416 trailer
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 28 January 2015 - 12:08 PM

 

I wouldn't skimp. Why buy something for self recovery, that very well may not be able to recover your vehicle? Just my 2 cents B)

Are you implying his choices are not up the task of recovery? Or what does this 2 cents mean?

 

I think he means go big or go home, its better to have excess power than under powered B) but luckily these are both waterproof & the upgraded COMP models

 

it does make me wonder why the smaller unit is so much heavier, more quality steel?  88 vs 99lbs & its smaller

 

I might see if I can find a # for smittybilt & pick their brains this afternoon

 

EDIT:

brochure ~ http://www.smittybil...PA-Extended.pdf


Edited by AA1PR, 28 January 2015 - 12:19 PM.

___________________________________________________________

                           

 

2004 GMC Yukon, 4X4 SLT, 5.3L Vortec, ~ Yukon Build Thread
Trail Master 2.5" leveling keys, SkyJacker  Hydro 7000's & MOOG 81069 rear coils with 1.5" spacers,
Hella 700FF's,  Running on 33's BFG TA KO & XRC 12K Comp Winch

1966 Stevens M416 trailer too ~ M416 Build thread

"Now she is gone I got my Yukon"   

ExpeditionNorth.com


#14 OFFLINE   HARDTRAILZ

 
HARDTRAILZ

    Trail Blazer

  • Moderators
  • 2,477 posts
    • Time Online: 56d 11h 18m 26s
2,089
Hail The Almighty!
  • Name:Kyle
  • LocationSE IN
  • Occupation:Real Estate
  • Truck(s):2006 Trailblazer
    1991 Suburban
    1988 S-10
Garage View Garage
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 28 January 2015 - 12:18 PM

12.5K 98412 is 51 lbs. http://www.quadratec...122_1211_07.htm

 

10K 98510 at 67 lbs. http://www.quadratec...122_1310_07.htm

 

I bet the weight difference is in the X2O additions Smitty brags about on their website...

 

The X20 Series features an all new integrated wireless remote control for ease of use and maximum versatility. The top-of-the-line X20 COMP also features Smittybilt's exclusive Dynamic Braking System which reduces drum temperatures by 66% and makes it perfectly suited to operate all types of synthetic ropes.


___________________________________________________________

79340785-bcb7-4f88-ab8a-7f14d6d04808_zps  2006 TRAILBLAZER  20434ac4-2f57-472b-8c42-0aca6d30eeea_zps

 

THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it

 

because the only people who really know where it is

 

are the ones who have gone over...


#15 OFFLINE   HARDTRAILZ

 
HARDTRAILZ

    Trail Blazer

  • Moderators
  • 2,477 posts
    • Time Online: 56d 11h 18m 26s
2,089
Hail The Almighty!
  • Name:Kyle
  • LocationSE IN
  • Occupation:Real Estate
  • Truck(s):2006 Trailblazer
    1991 Suburban
    1988 S-10
Garage View Garage
 

Awards Bar:
Users Awards

Posted 28 January 2015 - 12:19 PM

http://www.smittybilt.com/contact.htm

 

Number is here for ya


___________________________________________________________

79340785-bcb7-4f88-ab8a-7f14d6d04808_zps  2006 TRAILBLAZER  20434ac4-2f57-472b-8c42-0aca6d30eeea_zps

 

THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it

 

because the only people who really know where it is

 

are the ones who have gone over...






Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: badland, winches, the, good, bad, ugly

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users